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Post by Chiru on May 26, 2007 5:46:49 GMT -5
I thought I would place this here first, to see what those of you here would like before taken it into the staff. Mainly because this will effect the site itself and as such I thought it wise to see what you all thought first about it.
If we bring it into effect then it will effect THOSE who are NEW to the site, and DO NOT have a vampire in the game already.
The idea brought up to me, last night. (If they want to have credit for it please let me know and I'll give you such credit) was to make this site have no such things as: dragon, angels, demi-gods, gods, nekos ect.
We would allow forth, most likely werewolves, and hybrids of those. (Werecreatures mainly) and only because I recall that a certian mun of a vampire, was trying to gather them together to perhaps bring it up to RavenBlack himself about allowing werewolves in the game as well as the vampires.
Now, I'm more then willing for minor-characters to be, nekos, angels, demons whatever. But keep in mind that they are MINOR characters, they MAY have a vampire in the game. I'm not going to stop you on that. (Would be even wise if you are claiming them as you're guardians) but they are still minor characters and should be playing off your main account if they are such things.
Mainly, the idea is to make this more vampire like, not so mystical creature like and it was bought up once before by another. The whole powers and stuff rules/guidelines, still apply. Again already near or compeletly powered up, then guess what. Don't worry about the power guidelines because you already have the powers. However is such a thing does happen. But this would be a major change... and would mean for sure that you CAN'T (unless already IN the game of course) use characters from OTHER shows and will indeed be force to create your OWN characters. (Please read Beth's post on that one)
Me for one, am willing to give this a shot, allowing forth those who are already in the game to remain as they are as this only effects once again THOSE who are NOT already apart of the game.
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Post by Nemesis on May 26, 2007 8:36:06 GMT -5
Anyone who know's me probably knows what i'm about to say.. This game IS a VAMPIRE game. What 'kitties', 'Angels', 'ninja-faerie-dragon-carebears who can shoot lazers out of their butts vampires' has to do with the actual representation of the soulless night walking blood feeders of the undead is beyond me, and as such, on a roleplay level, i usually dont acknowledge. I can understand werewolves...i can understand demons...they represent 'undead' lore. I myself play a character who has demonic heritage, though she ISNT a demon. She was a human who was turned into a vampire...the small bit of demonic heritage/blood just adds to the RP enhancement. Yes, she has wings...but if anyone has noticed, since there is not a 'flight' option in-game, she can not fly....the wings are pretty much there for decoration. I do not believe in adding 'RP Powers'. I use strickly the abilities that are offered in-game.However, in the 4+ years I've played and RPed this game, I've always felt people are free to portray their characters as they wish, if I didnt like that portrayal, I dont have to play with them. It is a personal preference that others play more 'traditional' characters in the theme of vampirism. I will add however, that making a regulation/requirement such as the one suggested for JUST new members would be somewhat unfair. There would not be a level RP playing field between current members and new ones. Its hard enough for new members/players to power themselves up ingame to compete with older players, that it would be even more discouraging if they also had to compete with someone who is still allowed to RP that they are a vampire kitty that can shoot poisoned milk out of their nose, yet the new member was not allowed to retaliate with their magical rolledup newspaper of doom that they can make materialize from a lock of their own hair.... ~blinks~ yes..i have a way over active imagination..... Hope all that made sense >_< Beth
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Post by Chiru on May 26, 2007 8:46:39 GMT -5
I agree sadly, I can see demons and other forms of undead creatures. However, I sadly don't agree with telling those who already have such things being played as. (For example: Demi-God turn Vampire) being told they can't play when they may have been in the game for a year or so and are fully powered (or damn near it) I can only see it being something that was allowed elsewhere and the new members would be those who haven't been turned yet at all anywhere. However, I've been told that the problem is, because this isn't just 'vampires' many of the older members (in the game) do not wish to roleplay. Can't say that I blame them either. What I would really hate is to see the same things that happened elsewhere happen here. While I got no personal problem with people wanting to be werecats, or werecreatures. or angels turned vampires... I fear mainly that it will be how to say... anime-attack. So I really am ify about this whole thing. Yet it has been brought up couple of times now and by different people figure might as well get everyone elses feel and idea about it before hand. >> I'm on the wall for the time. I can see it for newer members, but not so much for older members who have been apart of the game for whatever long they've been in the game >>
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Post by Nemesis on May 26, 2007 8:59:54 GMT -5
I totally run screaming from 'anime-ish' characters. Kitties and whatnot.
I've been playing for over 4 years, and its really just in the last two years that i've seen a bigger wave of ....lets call them 'non traditional'...characters being RPed. So yes, I know how 'older' players feel when it comes to RPing in certain places. I dont RP 'openly' anymore very much, sticking to closed threads with people I have known for years....and thats really sad, because it hinders character growth.
I would love to say 'you cant RP that way, that has nothing to do with Vampires a Dark Alleyway' to some people....but who am I to dictate. Yes, as site owners, we can make the rules state what we wish...to favor the older players, or allow things to become 'freeform'...(which i am totally against).
The question is...what are we willing to do in regards to weighing the enjoyment of the site between older players and newer players...
The resolution is to find a level set of RP guidelines that everyone should follow, from creation of the new characters, to the continued RP of the older ones....without having to sacrifice too much between either. A compromise can always be found, and the majority should rule. Maybe we should offer a poll?
I still vote all anime kitty people be served as lunch.
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Post by Rykoth on May 27, 2007 12:11:32 GMT -5
Anime doesn't bug me in general. But...
...what bugs me is the overly cute and fluffy people who rp as if the city isn't a dismal place.
I have tried to make it apparent when I RP... and I think some can agree with me. The city is ever decaying. It's full of undead, it's full of bloodshed and war, street wars, alot of humans that are junkies and crime ridden streets, where normal humans probably live in fear every single night.
The city is NOT disneyland The city is NOT a place where you can flaunt your powers Sorry but if you morph into uber monster thing of death and start an inferno... hunters will be ALL OVER your ass.
That is my biggest issue.
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Post by Chiru on May 28, 2007 17:33:39 GMT -5
I fear more of the anime-powers (though could do without the over breeding of nekos and all fuffy stuff minus of course you have a VERY good reason for it. Anime is all great and stuff, I'm a anime fan... won't say I'm not. But evil-creepy-bloodsucking-myths do not equal = cute anime-cats >>). To me it must have a form of using the powers in the game. Some way to explain why it is. All for 'made up powers' and 'gifts' but mainly when you can find a way to explain how it's done with the use of the powers in the game. Yet, problem becomes, people come up with some neat things, (or at least have neat ideals) and that means trying to figure out another way to do it/explain it.
But a vote would be nice... though not to sure how to word it. I do know that the flying does bother me at times, but I've come to accept that perhaps it's really a speedy potion as that's a non-stop, don't care who's there type of drug >> so perhaps one way to explain it is indeed as flying... though then the problem becomes, how you get in the air? How are you able to direct it so well when the potion itself says, non-stop one direction... there wouldn't be dodging that's for sure.
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Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost
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Ich bin die Schw?rzung in ihrem ehart, die W?rter, die sie nicht spricht, mich Tod anruft. Lieben Si
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Post by Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost on May 30, 2007 12:07:47 GMT -5
I think that someone should work on a verson of the DA game with more choices beyond the vampire world, pixies even..demons...diffrent powers, more guilds....more ideas..better roleplay
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Post by Nemesis on May 30, 2007 12:39:05 GMT -5
I think that someone should work on a verson of the DA game with more choices beyond the vampire world, pixies even..demons...diffrent powers, more guilds....more ideas..better roleplay There are actually games out there that are similar to DA. Gothador is still around, isnt it? I remember that one was set up like DA, with oodles more by way of character options and gameplay. I know of a few other games that you have a choice between being a vampire or a werewolf, you train to gain levels in strength and gold, you can buy weapons and potions, etc...however, it is not set up in a grid style page like DA. I also know of a game currently being developed that closely resembles DA, however that one is still in early beta, and has quite a bit of work to be done on it still before it will be ready and available.
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Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost
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Ich bin die Schw?rzung in ihrem ehart, die W?rter, die sie nicht spricht, mich Tod anruft. Lieben Si
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Post by Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost on May 30, 2007 13:11:49 GMT -5
I hope I get ot play it, I am lookin forward to change, I feel that a city of vampires is
1. Silly
2. lacking
Thats what I think at least
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Post by Chiru on May 30, 2007 14:19:38 GMT -5
You have to remember hon, RB never thought this was going to be a hit and it was the players themselves that made it into what it has become.
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Post by Nemesis on May 30, 2007 15:45:06 GMT -5
Kittie hit it right on the mark. Raven made 'the city'. In the beginning, there wasnt even a 'city', as the game was nothing more than biter links. Then he added the streets. Nothing more than a simple point and click game with small adventures. Its the PLAYERS of the game that created the various RP boards and forums for RPing their characters for the DA game. It was the players who banded together to actually Role Play their little characters, basing everything around almost total in game movement and action and things escalated from there. And its those roots right there that have many of us older players RPing as we do...strictly based around in game movement, items, powers, etc. We're a stubborn lot.
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Post by ophelia Lokason on May 30, 2007 16:25:14 GMT -5
The name of this game is Vampires! The Dark Alleyway. The name indicates the primary purpose of the game and then the players created the RP to go along with it. Some choose to have rp'd powers, but most tend to keep it within reason. And because I am lazy *points at everything Beth said and nods* What she said. ~M
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Post by Chiru on May 30, 2007 20:57:54 GMT -5
Leave it to you two to do a far greater deal at explain that one I think perhaps if we can find a way to keep the powers within reason, that could be better. Yet I do fear the uprise of the cute and cuddly vampires... who only seem to be out looking for a boyfriend/girlfriend. Not that is not apart of things... but when it's the only thing... -shudders- So if we put this to a vote... though I do like the idea of cutting off all copied characters... they have to be different. Can be based around a show or something but not a direct link... but again I think all that have already been made into what they are right now should be left alone. (I hate the idea revamping a vampire unless it's by the fact you got it from someone else... who killed off the character.)
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Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost
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Ich bin die Schw?rzung in ihrem ehart, die W?rter, die sie nicht spricht, mich Tod anruft. Lieben Si
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Post by Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost on May 31, 2007 10:02:23 GMT -5
I think that a vote is a great Idea.. what ever happened to the dark and evil vamps of days past.....
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Post by Chiru on May 31, 2007 12:48:14 GMT -5
They got sucked up into a blackhole.... or ran from all the cuteness...
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Post by ophelia Lokason on May 31, 2007 12:58:08 GMT -5
I think that a vote is a great Idea.. what ever happened to the dark and evil vamps of days past..... They were eaten by the emofluffykittybatelfpires ~nods~ And those that managed to escape the pods are *points* over there ~M
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Post by neske on Jun 1, 2007 20:26:58 GMT -5
Some day, if I ever leave The Sun Clan, I will make a new clan called Ravenblack Animal Control whose only purpose will be to tag and eliminate the threat of rabid cuteness that nekos and other such spawn represent.
While I recognize the inherent right of a player to create a character of his or her choosing, I would also welcome a place where such things did not exist. Currently I avoid contact with creatures and character of that ilk because they do not mesh with the RP world that I prefer to play in. Following this mind set forces me to spend a lot of time not role playing in various threads because of the sheer number of these that exist on other sites. (Really, they breed like nekos!)
I would find it refreshing to be able to come to a site where I did not have to spend so much time making sure that there were characters in threads that were not congruent with my own ideas about the world I want to role play in.
As for were-creatures, I have little problem with were-wolves, for as has been mentioned they are part of the genre to a large extent, but I would limit it to just were-wolves. Things will get increasingly silly after that. Were-tigers and other cats will be next, and then some one will want to be a were-elephant and a were-swan and a were-duck-billed-platapus, and ridiculousness will ensue. Worse, some one will play a were-fox who gets stuck between one form and another -- then we are back to nekos again.
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Post by Chiru on Jun 1, 2007 20:29:35 GMT -5
Alright having thought about it. I think the reason why we get such type of 'vampires' is because people are all used to the kind seen in movies and read about in vampire books (Like Anne Rice) so... I thought, if that's why we have such things and the idea people want is to be 'special', that they could perhaps take a look at the different KINDS of vampires across the world. (All having different names, different ways of how they got there yadda yadda) That this may help solve the problem. I ask you don't POST in that thread... but keep all the posts and replies to this one... and perhaps point out some things that maybe you would like better. (It's not finished I gotta a lot more to do but just to give an idea) You can check it out here: Vampire - Type This is just one of the things that came across my mind to perhaps weed out some of the things seen on other places.
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Post by Chiru on Jun 1, 2007 20:36:14 GMT -5
As for were-creatures, I have little problem with were-wolves, for as has been mentioned they are part of the genre to a large extent, but I would limit it to just were-wolves. Things will get increasingly silly after that. Were-tigers and other cats will be next, and then some one will want to be a were-elephant and a were-swan and a were-duck-billed-platapus, and ridiculousness will ensue. Worse, some one will play a were-fox who gets stuck between one form and another -- then we are back to nekos again. I would just love to point out. I read a lovely story about a prince who was turned into a were-swan. He didn't feed on blood or flesh or anything and he was the only one of his kind. He died of course because he was an evil little bastard who played the "pity me, I'm weak don't hurt me" card one to many times and pissed off the big mean werewolf... needless to say. It was a very nice story... he knew how to fuck with people. Yet no way to protect himself... it was a very easy kill. So if we get them... they're easily enough killed
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Post by lenaclarise on Jun 2, 2007 0:58:19 GMT -5
I think a poll on this would be a good idea, cause a discussion back and forth doesn't offer clear sight on who thinks what and how many do, plus, more would be more inclined to vote in a poll, than actually having to express their opinion. Especially if it differs from the majority of what people want.
Personally, I'm not even fond of werewolves, I used to play my character as not acknowledging them, though, with the growth of the amount, I found I had too.
Angels, demons, cats, elves, fairies...All of those, I stay away from. Why? Because in this game, they shouldn't exist. I don't want to chase them away with what I say next, but I feel it must be said: THERE ARE OTHER PLACES FOR THAT!!!
I've played elves, I've played angels, goddesses, fairies... still do sometimes, but, I'd not even consider this here, because this is not that kind of world. There are other sites that allow these races, applaud them and welcome them, this isn't one of them...
I think that when you signed up for the game, after all, you knew your character would in fact be a vampire, (werewolf put aside), I don't see the need to turn it into a human turned angel turned vampire.
The need to set yourself aside from the crowd is always big, but it shouldn't circle around what special race your character is, not in this game. Here, your actions and words are what matter, and what your IG powers are to balance it up.
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Post by Seyda on Jun 2, 2007 8:42:48 GMT -5
I think that when you signed up for the game, after all, you knew your character would in fact be a vampire, Thaaaaaaaaank you. The game is a city of vampires. Vampires. Not kittens, not nekos, not anything else. If someone is a hybrid, okay...it's a stretch, but at least there's some semblance of vampire in them. It drives me absolutely insane when I have a conversation with them, and they say "I'm a [insert something not vampiric]." Uhhh....you're IN the alleyway, and you have a name there, so my guess is that you're indeed a vampire, or you wouldn't show up.... But, you're always going to have someone who wants to be whatever they want to be and has no concept that games inherently put restrictions on such. If I want to be a breeding furball, I'll go to Breeding Furball: A Dark Alleyway. But, since I'm playing VAMPIRES, I think I might be a vampire. Generally, in this situation, when Seyda comes across someone who claims to be a neko breeding ferry monster, Seyda still sees vampire. She'll generally just pass it off as the person being a bit lacking in the mental faculties and back away slowly....lol
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Post by Chiru on Jun 2, 2007 8:52:26 GMT -5
I think that when you signed up for the game, after all, you knew your character would in fact be a vampire, Yes... but I still think the reason why someone does this is because of the whole wanting to be special. (Which is why I've been making a small database for the time being of different types of vampires so that perhaps that will solve that problem) A vote will be taken here in a day or so. (Getting ready to run out the door so can't be at this moment... and you yourself can make one you ARE staff -grins-) Generally, in this situation, when Seyda comes across someone who claims to be a neko breeding ferry monster, Seyda still sees vampire. She'll generally just pass it off as the person being a bit lacking in the mental faculties and back away slowly....lol Ah see Chiru tries to kill the little nekos (unless somehow someway related to her then she's just scared out of her little mind about them.) Though hybrids wouldn't be so bad. I can see your point about them in theory being something vampire related. Though then you'll end up with some very SCARY hybrids... as for example Neske's mun said "Were-swans" Can you see one of those things being half-vampire... -starts to picture a swan with fanged teeth on the full moon- Alright running out the door. Please take a moment to look at the little guide of vampires types in the bullentin board and please let me know if you think something like that is a good idea or not. When I come back later I'll made a poll for that if it's not already been taken care of by someone else on here. Thank you for your inputs though it means a great deal to me n.n
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Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost
Creature of the Night
Ich bin die Schw?rzung in ihrem ehart, die W?rter, die sie nicht spricht, mich Tod anruft. Lieben Si
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Post by Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost on Jun 2, 2007 9:42:00 GMT -5
There is one problem, no one should have the right to limit emonekowareteddybarepires, in fact its up to us to pick who we see fit to RP with, thats why people put tags such as (decent Rper please) or open, I don't like these anime vamps, but I change my mind on the limiting of them. I just think we need to offer people or choices or that when they are building a char they don't have to resort to stealing concepts or ideas...
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Post by lenaclarise on Jun 2, 2007 10:26:53 GMT -5
That's a nice idea, however, if there are people that want to do that, again... There are places for that, special rp sites that applaud that.
This site is based on a game where only vampires exist and werewolves are under discussion, the need to add other species shouldn't exist, it's not that kind of game
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Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost
Creature of the Night
Ich bin die Schw?rzung in ihrem ehart, die W?rter, die sie nicht spricht, mich Tod anruft. Lieben Si
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Post by Raven Glassfire: Humanity lost on Jun 2, 2007 10:56:36 GMT -5
So it is completely agreed upon by everyone that in a world where there are vampires and Warewolfs are real there are no Pixies or talking cats.. what if I wanted my char to have a talkign cat, arwe witches not real? I have always had a story about my chars birth, and her mothers magic, hell what about The dragon? species should exist, but roleplaying as them is a no-no, we all get that, but why can't I be a cathuman thats turned into a vampire, as long as it does not conflcit with the DA powers, i should be able to do it.. a city full or nothing but PURe vampires is a boring city..
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